Response to 'Geforce3' et al.: 'What happened to the Silviu Ionescu case?'

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justicesg wrote:

Geforce3 wrote:

Response to thegman88: 'What happened to the Silviu Ionescu case? '

thegman88 wrote:

Just wondering, its been a couple months now since any news came out about Silviu Ionescu.. I still hope justice is sought but what has happened? =( I feel especially sad for the families who lost their loved ones =(

Ionescu to remain in prison while awaiting trial

Ionescu to remain in prison while awaiting trial
05:55 AM Aug 19, 2010
Former Romanian diplomat Silviu Ionescu will remain in prison as he awaits trial for two hit-and-run accidents in Singapore last year.

Re: Release request denied (Ionescu)

My response to the following report:

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Originally Posted by BicCherry Judge rejects Ionescu request by Claudia Craiu in Romania news@mediacorp.com.sg 05:55 AM Jul 29, 2010...

George Yeo calls for patience in Ionescu case

George Yeo calls for patience in Ionescu case
Updated 07:22 PM Jul 05, 2010
by Ong Dai Lin
SINGAPORE - Foreign Minister George Yeo has asked Singaporeans to be patient, reiterating the need for due process in resolving the two hit-and-run accidents involving former Romanian diplomat Silviu Ionescu.
Romanian prosecutors said last week that Ionescu will face trial for charges of homicide, causing physical injuries and making false statements.

My Response to 'Just turned 50' over at the REACH discussion corner

Hi, my Response to 'Just turned 50' over at the REACH discussion corner [link]:
Hi, 'Just turned 50' (I am a Guest)

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@'Just turned 50' : 20/05/2010 3:17 PM: "BC is suggesting, by his fine interpretion of the VCDR, that the Singapore Government response in this case is inappropriate !"

Reply to: 'TDYonline19May2010': ''Progress being made in Ionescu prosecution''

My response to [TDYonline19May2010]: 'Progress being made in Ionescu prosecution'
If Mr G Yeo really wants to speed things up, he'd just pick up the phone and give his Romanian counterpart, Mr Teodor Baconschi a telephone call/ email and the 2 settle how to bring Ionescu to justice.
Tell or dun tell us everything about the 'secret plan' never mind, as we trust Mr Yeo and will all be able to see 'progress' through regularly updating news reports.

[19May2010] 'Progress being made in Ionescu prosecution'

'Progress being made in Ionescu prosecution'
Romania has started criminal action: Yeo
by Esther Ng
05:55 AM May 19, 2010
SINGAPORE - The wheels of justice in the prosecution of former Romanian diplomat Silviu Ionescu are grinding forward, Foreign Affairs Minister George Yeo said in Parliament yesterday.

Response to 'kooldog59': "do we allow potential criminals to hold on to their passports so..."

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Originally Posted by kooldog59 maybe you can answer my question as posted onanother thread about the same topic...

Apologies for the reply delay, your adjacent thread post 'Re: Romanian Embassy Diplomatic Car Hit & Run - 17-05-2010, 08:54 AM' is here: [link].
Thank you for the opportunity to clarify.

Response to 'Terence Lim Eu Seng': 'Immunity should only go so far'

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Immunity should only go so far Letter from Terence Lim Eu Seng 05:55 AM May 18, 2010 I refer to the commentary "The principle of diplomatic immunity is sound" (May 14). I do not dispute the necessity of diplomatic immunity per se but it should not cover universally and obviously heinous crimes. Ambiguous legal practices or local laws in different countries may of course contribute to fear of imprisonment or retribution. However, it would be ludicrous to suggest that diplomats need immunity from even atrocities such as rape or causing death in order to do their job well.

Pt2: Response to Ace Kindred Cheong: "(diplomat) he or she can be detained to help investigate instead of allowing hm or her to leave"

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Ace Kindred Cheong, Updated 07:01 PM May 16, 2010 Thank you B.C for your comments.I appreciate your kindness in your explaination. By the way,i am a man not a woman so i hope you will address me as Mr and not Ms in future. I like to say that when I wrote what happen when any diplomat decided to become or involved in acts of terrorism (Not state sponsored terrorism) but personal reason or murder (again not state sponsored murder or assassination ), will he or she as a diplomat be protected by immunity. I do not know if such incidents or crimes committed ( not sponsored by the state or governments ) will have the same result?

Response to Ace Kindred Cheong: "(diplomat) he or she can be detained to help investigate instead of allowing hm or her to leave"

The original is a response to posts at 'TODAYonline'-May 14, 2010: 'The principle of diplomatic immunity is sound'

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Ace Kindred Cheong, Updated 10:25 AM May 16, 2010 I have nothing against diplomats having immunity for and when caarying out official duties.However what i disagree is when diplomats abuses or have abused such immunity for comitting crimes and have caused death in other countries.

[11May2010]: The book of law should be read in spirit, from front to back and not vice versa

The key point of my opinion being the fact that the current issue at hand is mutual and linked directly to the incompetencies of both states in the handling of what is essentially a problem with their interpretations of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations.
It is also my an expression of my displeasure as to what I believe is SG's shockingly inappropriate application of the VCDR.

The principle of diplomatic immunity is sound

The principle of diplomatic immunity is sound

But it requires reciprocal respect by both sides for it to work the way it's meant to

Updated 12:20 PM May 14, 2010

by Richard Hartung

AP:'Romanian former diplomat to Singapore detained over allegation of hit and run death'

AP: 'Romanian former diplomat to Singapore detained over allegation of hit and run death'

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Quote:Romanian former diplomat to Singapore detained over allegation of hit and run death

By The Associated Press (CP) – 8May2010
BUCHAREST, Romania — A former Romanian diplomat has been detained in Bucharest on charges that he killed a person in a hit-and-run accident while on duty in Singapore.
A Bucharest court will rule on whether Silviu Ionescu, a former attache at the Romanian Embassy in Singapore will be held for 29 days pending trial.

ST: '(Ionescu) Bid to stop arrest fails'

And the 'wayang-show' goes on?

He (Ionescu) said that he will go before the European Court for Human Rights to prove Romanian judges have jurisdiction in this case, if the issue is not solved in his own country.

As I said, 'Singapore should withdraw Interpol Notification, premised upon Romanian agreement ... ' so that the Interpol warrant can be left out of the equation for now as its no more than a distraction that Ionescu is capitalizing upon!!!
And then the 2 sovereigns can get on with their discussion.

Singapore should withdraw Interpol Notification, premised upon Romanian guarantee

Singapore should withdraw Interpol Notification, premised upon Romanian Government agreement that Ionescu NOT be allowed to leave home AND Romania cooperate fully under the terms of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations (VCDR) to bring Ionescu to justice.

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A brothel by any other name, stinks just the same.

A brothel by any other name, stinks all the same.

snipes14, 3May2010, 12:51 PM wrote:

I think TS has an extremely black and white way of looking at the world. By the time I was 16 I knew that it was anything but that.

Response to 'long2010': "he will be free"

long2010: "he will be free"

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long2010, 30April2010 10:05 PM wrote:

he will be free

Hi 'long2010':
Article 31(4) of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic RelationsA31.4 states: "The immunity of a diplomatic agent from the jurisdiction of the receiving State does not exempt him from the jurisdiction of the sending State."... ...

30April2010, my response to 'icemanV'

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Originally Posted by BicCherry, 27-04-2010, 05:29 AM I think that the key pt here is that Romania is arguing based upon Article 31(1) and (4) of the VCDR, for which I believe that they are amply correct at this point of time. A31.1 states: "A diplomatic agent shall enjoy immunity from the criminal jurisdiction of the receiving State. ..." A31.4 states: "The immunity of a diplomatic agent from the jurisdiction of the receiving State does not exempt him from the jurisdiction of the sending State."... ...